Am I TH1 or TH2 or TH17?


Some practitioners recommend the Th1/Th2 Challenge to determine if symptoms are immune related. Doing the Th1/Th2 Challenge is like checking for a gas leak with a burning match. It doesn’t account for Th17. Are you a woman suffering from inflammatory fire searching the internet for answers? I often hear from women that they have to be their own advocates for their health. I agree you must be your own advocate.

Inflammation is a general term describing the effects of too many inflammatory cytokines and stimulating neurotransmitters unopposed by too few anti-inflammatory cytokines and inhibitory neurotransmitters.

Finding Your Immune Status

For more than thirty years, T-Helper (TH) cells have been divided by immunologists into two functional subsets: T-helper-1 (TH1) and T-helper-2 (TH2). Immunologists have also identified specific groups of chemical messenger molecules called “cytokines and chemokines” that are used to communicate between the cells of the immune system and stimulate eith the TH1 or TH2 system.

TH1/TH2 Challenge

When the activity of one subset goes up, it represses the activity of the other similar to a seesaw or teeter-totter. Some practitioners recommend the TH1/TH2 Challenge to determine if symptoms are immune related. In this test, one immune stimulating supplement is taken at a time and a journal is kept of the symptoms experienced. One supplement stimulates the TH1 side of the immune system, and the other supplement stimulates the TH2. The reactions to these supplements are used to determine which side of your immune system is out of balance. However, very few people are strictly TH1 or TH2.

Autoimmune bone broth

Fig. 1: Unregulated Immune Response

Very Few People Are Strictly TH1 or TH2.

People with similar symptoms can have remarkably different laboratory results, while people with comparable laboratory results often exhibit widely different symptoms. This leads to confusion and frustration when doing immune challenges. Results from the Neuroscience NEI Gold 5516 for women suffering from Hashimoto’s show how confusing and unpredictable it can be.

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Fig. 2: Immune System Status

Fig. 2: Immune System Status

Immune Status Scale

Many consider the immune system to be always working properly, even with autoimmune conditions. When it is actually compromised and experiencing the effects of too many inflammatory cytokines and stimulating neurotransmitters unopposed by too few anti-inflammatory cytokines and inhibitory neurotransmitters, while being hacking into and disrupted by microbes, bacteria and parasites.

Another favorite is to blame food or something from the environment. While they can and do serve as provocateurs in an Immune compromised individual. Microbes, bacteria and parasites hack into the NEI Supersystem damaging or altering the immune response for their survival resulting in false positive and false negative food antibody test results.

In the Immune Compromised individual, the immune response the response will depend on their immune system status. This can be best measured by the Neuroscience Stimulated Cytokine panel. The Immune Status Scale (Fig. 2) is not measurable but represents a means to demonstrate the compromised immune system.

  • Zero is DEATH through an acquired immune deficiency and an incompetent immune system.
  • From zero to 30 denotes an ineffectual immune system activity characterized by extreme weakness with tremendous loss of any immune response in the body.
  • The point 30 denotes approaching death unless an immune response can be stimulated which will give it a higher potential ability to protect oneself.
  • From point 30 to 60, there is immune suppression with a decreasing ability to respond to immune challenges with symptoms of cytokine-induced sickness behavior.
  • Symptoms of cytokine-induced sickness behavior begin appear as the body nears 60. A competent immune system will be able to return the body to above 60.
  • From 60 to 100 we note complete health, with 100 being the maximum quality of perfect being.
  • From 100 to 150 we note immune stimulation with symptoms of cytokine-induced sickness.
  • From 100 to 130, there is immune stimulation in response to immune challenges. A competent immune system will be able to return the body to below 100.
  • At 130 we will note symptoms of complete cytokine-induce sickness.
  • At rate 150 – death takes place through Septic shock, Anaphylaxis, or Toxic Shock

The immune system can jump from the immune suppressed range to the immune stimulated range during a cytokine storm or when provoked and back again. The tissue producing the immune cells may fatigue contributing to a yo-yo effect of cytokine storms followed by a collapse of the immune response as the tissue recovers.

Cyrex vs Neuroscience

Cytokines that enhance cellular immune responses, Th1 (INf-γ, TNFα, etc.), Th2 (TGF-β, IL-4, IL-10, IL-13, etc.), Th17 (IL-17, Il-21, Il-22, IL-26, G-CSF, TNFα), and Th9 (Il-9) favor antibody responses. Cytokines binding to antibodies create a stronger immune effect.

Cytokine Storms

Cytokine storms may occur in both Immune Suppressed and Immune Stimulated. Chances are you have if you are suffering from Hashimoto’s, autoimmune conditions or a confusing mess of symptoms, you may be experiencing your very own Cytokine Storm season where you will have bad days followed by calm days after the storm and again by bad days. You may have found yourself in the proverbial “up a creek without a paddle” in your autoimmune world.

Cytokine Storms occur when the immune system becomes and remains activated against the immune stimulants beyond the point of being helpful.

Lectin Toxicity Evades Antibody-Based Blood Tests

While it is clear that lectins have the potential to do harm, it must be emphasized that the type of harm they do is harder to diagnose than in classically defined food allergies or sensitivites. In other words, confirmation of intolerance will not be found in antibody, allergy or intestinal biopsy testing because the damage done is a direct cytokine driven response, and not necessarily immune-medicated or only secondarily so.

The diagnostic “invisibility” is why lectin consumption is rarely linked to the ailments that afflict those who consume them. While lectins are not the sole or primary cause of a wide range of disorders, them are a major factor in sustaining or reinforcing injuries or diseases once they are initiated and/or established in the body.

Four Different Hashimoto Patients – Four Different Immune Responses (Fig. 3)

Fig. 3: Stimulated Cytokine Test Results Base: General Overall Immune Response
Blue: Zero to 60 – Immune Suppressed or Immunocompromised (Fig. 2)
Red: 100 to 150 – Immune Activated or Stimulation (Fig. 2)

As you can see from the Stimulated Cytokine Test results that you can be Immune-Stimulated and Immune Suppressed simultaneously. You may experience symptoms of both a suppressed and stimulated immune system (see Fig. 2).

All had bad reactions with the Th1/TH2 challenge. Why? All have an overactive Th17 immune response. Three have a suppressed TH1 response. One has a suppressed TH2 response. The upper right is immunocompromised. The lower right is immune stimulated to everything. The lower left is a raw vegan over-consuming Soft and Hard Lectins. The upper left TH1 immune system collapses when exposed to bacteria driving straight into TH17.

You also have to apply some common sense. Common sense would tell you with autoimmune conditions your immune system isn’t working properly. Are you going to trust it to be accurate during a TH1/TH2 challenge? Lab testing is the best way to determine your immune status.

The TH1/TH2 Challenge does not recognize the TH17 response, immune suppression or stimulation.

In recent years, a specific T-cell subset, termed TH17. TH17 contributes to the development of diseases such as multiple autoimmune diseases including allergic inflammation, rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune gastritis, inflammatory bowel disease, Hashimoto’s, psoriasis, and multiple sclerosis. The TH1/TH2 Challenge does not recognize the TH17 response, immune suppression of stimulation. Confusing results occur when different immune status responses are not accounted for as seen in Fig. 1.

 

Two different Rheumatoid Arthritis patients.

Two different Rheumatoid Arthritis patients.

It is much better to provoke an immune response in a laboratory setting than suffer the consequences of a failed TH1/TH2 challenge. The Neuroscience NEI Gold (5516) determines the baseline immune status and whether lectins (PHA) or bacteria (LPS) provoke a TH1, TH2 or TH17 response. As seen in Fig. 1 the immune system can fail when provoked (blue color) resulting in a suppressed immune system. Measurement of stimulated cytokines can identify the presence of an excited or suppressed immune status.

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TH1

Th1-lymphocytes are primarily made in response to microbes that infect or activate macrophages and Natural Killer cells, and in response to viruses.

Th1-type cytokines tend to produce the proinflammatory responses responsible for killing intracellular parasites and for perpetuating autoimmune responses. Interferon gamma is the main Th1 cytokine. Excessive proinflammatory responses can lead to uncontrolled tissue damage, so there needs to be a mechanism to counteract this.

TH2

TH2-lymphocytes are primarily made in response to helminths (worms), allergens, and extracellular microbes and toxins. The TH2-type cytokines include interleukins 4, 5, and 13, which are associated with the promotion of IgE (severe allergies) and eosinophils response, and also interleukin-10, which has more of an anti-inflammatory response. In excess, TH2 responses will counteract the TH1 mediated microbial killing action. The optimal scenario would therefore seem to be that we should produce a well-balanced Th1 and Th2 response, suited to the immune challenge.

TH17

The purpose of Th17 cells is to clear pathogens, which are not efficiently handled by TH1 and TH2 type of immunity. The induction of Th17 responses must go through three distinct steps: Induction, amplification and stabilization. The stability of Th17 population is only relevant if it is protective against a given pathogen-invader or other kind of insult. If Th17 cells lose their stability they become highly proinflammatory and promote the destruction of your body’s tissues as occurs in autoimmune conditions. In essence, your immune system chooses to sacrifice body tissues by destroying in order to preserve the rest of your body.

TH17 and Vaccine-Related Injuries

Mercury or aluminum is put into vaccines to stimulate an immune response the contagious bacteria with the intention of developing immunity to the disease causing microbe. However, if a child is born with an over active TH17 response from the mother during pregnancy. A reaction, small or catastrophic may occur leaving the child impaired or worse. It is important to determine the immune status of the woman prior to or during pregnancy. Dr. Peterson can provide the answers to this.

TH17 is not included in the TH1/TH2 Challenge

The TH-1/TH-2 Challenge as noted in the book “Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms?” was printed prior to understanding of TH-17. The TH-1/TH-2 Challenge may provoke a TH-17 response. The TH-17 destroys tissue rather than allowing it to be inflamed; analogous to a suicide bomber attack that you can not defend against.

We can and do use laboratory testing to determine your autoimmune response. We recognize the impact of autoimmune conditions and the possibility of false positives and false negatives when using such labs. We start by using H.I.S.S.

  • History
  • Information
  • Signs
  • Symptoms

By utilizing a step-wise approach: Ask questions first. Lab test second. Immune challenges should be done in a laboratory – not your body. The physicians at Wellness Alternatives can determine the most likely scenario involving your immune system without provoking an uncontrolled immune response.

Very few are strictly TH-1 or TH-2.

Those with TH-1 dominance creating symptomatology usually feel better with coffee or caffeine. But feel worse with immune stimulators – Echinacea, goldenseal, immune-boosting mushrooms or probiotics. A person with TH-2 dominance creating symptomatology are the opposite. They will feel better with immune stimulators – Echinacea, goldenseal, immune-boosting mushrooms or probiotics and feel worse with coffee or caffeine.

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Very few are strictly TH-1 or TH-2. This leads to confusion and frustration when doing immune system challenges. More often than not a person will be both TH-1 and TH-2 with multiple autoimmune conditions, i.e. >80% with Hashimoto’s also have Autoimmune Gastrointestinal Disease. This happens when different autoimmune diseases are actively provoking both sides of the immune system to be overactive and the regulatory part of the immune system can’t regulate either side. When a person has both TH-1 and TH-2 creating symptomatology, they often come into the office saying: “I’m always sick” or “I’m allergic to everything.” When TH-1, they will feel worse with immune stimulators – Echinacea, goldenseal, immune boosting mushrooms or probiotics and feel better with little amounts of coffee or caffeine. Which causes a shift pushing them into an overactive TH-2 response were they will feel worse with coffee or caffeine but feels better with little amounts of immune stimulators – Echinacea, goldenseal, immune boosting mushrooms or probiotics.

This eventually drives them into a place where neither TH-1 nor TH-2 creates symptomatology but both are over reactive and under reactive at the same time. They will happily report, “I never get sick” in addition to “But I know I’m not well.” This is scary because their immune system is no longer able to protect them. They are slip sliding away down the slippery slope of autoimmune diseases because their immune system is too fatigued for any appropriate response. Those that add, “I feel good” are doing Green Allopathy often fall into this category. When we look at their labs they will have low absolute neutrophils (<1800) and lymphocytes (<1500). Some will have only one low – others both. Those with an underactive TH-2 will tell us they feel better with a little coffee, or caffeine but feel worse with moderate amounts of coffee, caffeine – as they are driven into TH-2 dominance. At the same time they also have an underactive TH-1 where they feel better with a little immune stimulators – Echinacea, goldenseal, immune boosting mushrooms or probiotics but feel worse after a time with moderate amounts of immune stimulators – being driven into TH-1 dominance.

Reregulating the immune system

Rather than supporting either the TH1 or TH2 while ignoring the TH17 dominance. Wellness Alternatives recommends Quieting the Immune system and doing everything we can to not provoke any immune response. Think of it as if you are being quiet after finally getting a cranky baby asleep. You don’t want to do anything to wake it up. In addition to this we support the T-Helper, T-regulatory cells and inhibitory neurotransmitters and cytokines to re-regulate the TH1, TH2 and TH17 immune response.

Now a quick jump back to the antibody story. It has been proposed that antibodies are normally inactive in a healthy individual. It has been said that 60% or more of the action of a healthy immune system is to deal with the leakage of larger food molecules from the gut. There is, after all, a high degree of similarity between various mammalian animal proteins in our diet and those found in our bodies. If our immune system were to attack all instances of these proteins, we would all have arthritis, lupus, and many other autoimmune diseases. Yet, in some people this type of antibody based damage does occur.

Quiet, Don’t Suppress or Stimulate Your Immune System

Taking supplements to stimulate one side because you did a TH-1/TH-2 challenge will only make both sides overactive. Yes, in theory taking supplements stimulating the TH-2 is supposed to control the TH-1 after immune regulation has been achieved. The reason you have an autoimmune disease is largely due to an inability to control your immune response. If the immune regulation was not working before the challenge, chances are very high, it will not work by provoking the other side.

It is ill-advised to provoke an immune system that cannot regulate.

Do not write checks your body cannot cash.

The physician at Wellness Alternatives utilize supplement protocols to quiet and re-regulate your immune system. This may involve supporting the regulatory or helper T Cells or the inhibitory cytokines and neurotransmitters. Care must be taken as noted previously as sometimes supporting the regulatory/helper T cells can provoke the inhibitory cytokines and neurotransmitters or vice versa into having an adverse response.

Find out WHAT is the root cause; what initial incident, infection, chronic or otherwise, is provoking and perpetuating this immunological alert status. Then deal with it!

  • DO whatever is necessary to QUIET, not suppress or stimulate, your immune system.
  • DO rotate your diet.
  • DO try to avoid many of the immune stressors in your environment.
  • KEEP a diary so you can LEARN what those stressor are! Start comparing them, you may find common ingredients, which are the provoking your immune system. This too, gives you more slack, as you can then use things without those ingredients.

For effective strategies to prevent immune-mediated disorders, including food allergy, it is essential to understand the external variables that influence immunological programming and how they interact with genetic predisposition to disease. Knowing that Autoimmune processes can be arrested if the interplay between genes and environmental triggers is prevented by re-establishing intestinal barrier function. The physicians at WA use the following 4 principles to re-establish the intestinal barrier function.

  • Restore the Gastrointestinal Barrier Variables
  • Restore the Gastrointestinal Digestive Sequencing
  • Restore the Gastrointestinal Terrain
  • Re-Regulate the Immune system
  • Re-Regulate the Neurotransmitter imbalance
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  10. hello. my son had a regress after vaccination. and during pregnancy doctor gave me an injection immunomodulator. he has chronic bad constipation. we did so many lab tests. how to check his immune function? thanks

    • Your son has two separate issues occurring – structural and NEI Supersystem imbalance. A structural alteration can cause the bad constipation, which can be corrected by a pediatric chiropractor. Did you have bad morning sickness or hip pain during pregnancy? Vaccinations are designed to piss off the immune system. The immune mediator can pass through the placenta. This I believe is the reason some kids are born sick. The mother’s inflammation passed through the placenta to the baby. There are a couple of tests I would use but it depends on the age of your son. You can contact my office for more information. Dr. Dave

  11. I am Th2 overactive Th1 underactive Chronic Fatigue syndrome. Is there a particular probiotic you recommend for this type of immune response?

    • Jason,

      What is your TH17? Do you know about the Probiotic Paradox? Probiotic Paradox If probiotics did half of what they claimed I and many other Healthcare providers would be out of business and you would be as healthy as a horse. We need to look at probiotics with the same critical eye as we do with Pharmaceutical drugs.
      Let me translate “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”. It is Doctor-talk for “You feel bad and I don’t have a clue as to why.” It is also known as “Low-Hanging Fruit” that anybody can willing be classified as. If you want to look at the cause of the way you are feeling, you can contact my office.
      Dr. Dave

  12. what a great site I’ve found… much of this makes sense. I have been doing great though on a methylation protocol but still dont’ feel 100% yet. What would you recomend that would help calm and relax the immune response? I heard resveratrol is good for both th1/th2 is that true?

    • Hi Joe,
      I’m glad you are feeling better doing something for methylation. The more I study Portal Hypertension the more I question the whole methylation paradigm. That ties into your question about Th1/Th2? What about Th17? Why is it so overlooked when it is the most destructive part of the immune system.
      Throughout history, supplements that are beneficial for one thing, i.e. resveratrol support cellular metabolism and reduction of insulin resistance; have the beneficial property expanded for more and more things.
      Many patients come to my office on methylation support. What Doctors and Patients alike do not recognize is the body must be metabolically and physiologically capable of carrying out the beneficial properties of the supplements. This occurs through the blood, which is controlled by the NEI Supersystem. If the NEI Supersystem is not functioning, methylation will be problematic as a bunch of other processes.
      Without lab work and further assessment, it is impossible for me to determine what your Th1 | Th2 | Th17 immune status is. It is not a one size fits all. Don’t not try to regulate your immune system by manipulating the Th systems because they are dual-edge swords by design. The place to start is balancing the neurotransmitters of the NEI Supersystem through neurotransmitter testing.

  13. Hi Dr. Dave,
    Is it possible to react to lectin containing foods immediately with a rash?(Like a food allergy.)
    I am struggling since 10 years with my sudden onset of reactions to foods and cosmetics after 5 years of overconsumption of painkillers. I am reacting to everything!!! I get a rash all over my face and scalp, I get a hot red face,headaches,my face swells,heart palpitations, nausea etc. Makes me crazy because I can’t stick to a healthy diet.I can’t even eat some berries or broccoli. My whole back is covered with ringworm and I feel awful. I am living in a bubble and can’t work anymore.
    I have:
    -no IgE and but a few IgG4 food sensitivities but I react to everything
    – high oxidative stress ( don’t drink or smoke or eat junk food)
    -slow phase 1 liver detox pathway, phase 2 is borderline slow
    – low sIgA in stool ( leaky gut test was negative, normal lactulose, very high mannitol)
    -several nutrient deficiencies
    -cortisol pretty low
    Does any of this make any sense to you?
    Thank you!

    • Hi Linda,

      Lectins DO NOT need antibodies to provoke a reaction. They directly provoke the reactions you are experiencing. The name I use for what you are experiencing is called a “Cytokine Storm”.

      The more I understand about the liver, the more I chuckle when Doctors talk about liver, methylation, etc. Did you know when a person has portal hypertension; unfiltered blood from the abdomen bypasses the liver. By the way most Doctors don’t know or even speak of this. The abdominal blood supply is capable of handling unfiltered blood with food particles and bacteria being drained into the liver for filtering and processing. After being filtered and processed, blood is sent into the systemic circulation. However, in cases like yours, normal liver function is not occurring. The symptoms you are experiencing is consistent with the blood bypassing the liver. This is correctable through the use of lab testing and proper supplementation.

      Ig(s) are easily broken by bacteria seeking to protect themselves. Low sIgAs indicate the intestinal lining has impaired barrier variables. You may notice nowhere on my websites do I ever mention “leaky gut”. What part is leaking? They cannot answer that question. Choosing to use generic ambiguous terminology like “leaky gut” With the Hepatic Portal Hypertension, the problem lies not on the inside of the intestines (where the food is) but on the outside of the colon where the blood supply is.

      Oxidative stress is your body attempting to defend itself from the constant by-passage of the food particles into your systemic circulation. It wouldn’t matter what diet you use. Until your NEI Supersystem control of the abdominal blood flow is restored, this will continue to be a problem.

      As to the low cortisol. Why is it low? Is it because it is not being produced, being used up, or being converted down-stream in to hormones that cause thyroid dysfunction?

      Please feel free to call my office to discuss this further and see if a different plan of action would be better for you.

      Dr. Dave

      • Hi Dr. Dave,
        Thank you so much for your message! I truly appreciate it. I would love to call you to discuss this further but I don’t have an income since several years because of my health challenges so I can’t afford to talk to you. So sad…I read and reread your message several times. Did I understand you correctly; unless I correct the phase 1 and 2 liver detox pathways I’ll continue to react to everything because of cytokine storms, (no antibodies involved) which leads to more and more oxidative stress and an overwhelmed immune system?
        Thank you once more for for your help!!!
        Kind regards
        Linda

      • No Linda, It is NOT a phase 1 and 2 liver detox pathway issue. It is a Hepatic Portal Hypertension issue where the blood bypasses the liver going directly into the systemic blood supply. Phase 1 and 2 detox pathways are bypassed. It is corrected by rebalancing the NEI Supersystem.
        Dr. Dave

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  15. Bonjour,
    merci pour l’article.
    Je suis toutefois découragée.
    Je pense vraiment avoir une dominance aux 2 niveux qui est dangereuse pour moi et qui empeche le bon diagnostic médical
    J’ai toujours fait facilement de la fièvre et été malade, mais depuis les 2 dernières années, je n’attrape plus rien et a au contraire une basse temperature. Toutefois , je suis très mal au point. J’ai beaucoup de symptoms de maladies autoimmunes, dont ceux de la sclérodermie. J’ai un leaky gut and de la dysautonomie with chronic fast heart rate and low oxygen levels. I also have lyme disease and PCOS. My DHEAS is elevetad and I know some people with immune problems have the opposite, and I feel in conter-balance something . The thing is doctor dont take me seriously because I NEVER HAVE INFLAMMATION IN MY BLOOD TEST OR ELEVATED ANTIBODIES. I feel that something really bad is going on in my body, like I have so much symptoms of cirhosis with yellowish skin and palmar ertyhma, but my liver enzymes are low and nothing show up on ultrasound. I feel like my body is full of inflammation but something is conter balancing soooo much this inflammation right now. I react good to a small amount of coffee and feel worst on immune stimulator.. And do you think that taking chelator supplement like MSM is good for my case? I would love to know what do you think and what should I do?? I want a cold!! I want fever!!! I have inflammation to show up!!! Am I TH2 or TH1?…. Thank you….

  16. Hello,
    Thank you for the article.
    However, I am discouraged.
    I really think I have a 2 level dominance that is dangerous to me and that prevents the proper medical diagnosis
    I have always had a fever and been ill, but for the past 2 years, I do not catch anything and have a low temperature. However, I am very ill at the point. I have many symptoms of autoimmune diseases, including those of scleroderma. I have a leaky gut and dysautonomia with chronic fast heart rate and low oxygen levels. I also have lyme disease and PCOS. My DHEAS is elevetad and I know some people with immune problems have the opposite, and I feel in conter-balance something. The thing is doctor dont take me seriously because I NEVER HAVE INFLAMMATION IN MY BLOOD TEST OR ELEVATED ANTIBODIES. I feel that something really bad is going on in my body, like I have so much symptoms of cirhosis with yellowish skin and palmar ertyhma, but my liver enzymes are low and nothing show on ultrasound. I feel like my body is full of inflammation but this is inflammation right now. I’m a good person, but I do not know what to do with it. I would love to know what do you think and what should I do ?? I want a cold !! I want fever !!! I have inflammation to show up !!! Am I TH2 or TH1? …. Thank you ….

    • Hi Laurianne,
      I am just as frustrated as you are. You posted a comment on the “Am I Th1 or Th2 or TH17?” Yet never a mention of “Am I Th17?” Then The Bovine Feces diagnosis of Lyme disease. Coincidentally, Th17 symptoms and the symptoms of Lyme are identical. Doctors need to take off their Lyme blinders. These are the same people gripping about drug companies making patients permanently dependent on drugs while making their patients permanent Lyme patients.

      Then there is the Th2 dominance. Th2 dominance in the real world is anaphylactic shock. Th17 DOES NOT NEED ANTIBODIES to cause an inflammatory response. Antibodies are not produced in a suppressed immune system. But antibodies are the end-all-be-all. Those selling antibody testing cannot talk about TH17 not needing antibodies.

      In answer to your question. This may not be what you want to hear. Your Th1, Th2 and/or TH17 (in addition to several others that I am not talking about yet) are likely suppressed until something pisses them off and then they have just enough energy to make you feel bad but never completing their designed function. At this point everything pissed them off.

      Most Doctors focus on attaching a diagnosis to the person. It appears with leaky gut, dysautonomia, lyme, pcos they are running out of names to diagnosis you with. Your health is not a television game show where Doctors bet on whether they can name your condition in three symptoms or less. They need you to behave and learn how to act according to the disease self-help sites and social media groups.

      You have Multiple Organs dysfunctioning. All of your health issues fall under the umbrella of the Neuro-Endo-Immune Supersystem control. There is no one size fits all name. Not part of the body can be understood separate from the whole.

      What carries oxygen? Red Blood Cells. What carries out immune responses or the lack thereof? White Blood Cells. Where are the Red and White Blood cells made? In the bone marrow under the control of the NEI Supersystem. You mentioned liver symptoms. The NEI Supersystem controls the blood flow in your body. You need to understand how to restore and rebalance the NEI supersystem which controls your immune system. I can help you with that. Contact my office to see how I can be of assistance to you.
      Dr. Dave

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